No. Not the new Star Trek movie. M163 and M167 Vulcan Air Defense Systems. Both have been replaced by the Stinger in the US, but why not watch some cool videos. Both versions were basically the M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon on a ground mount, with the M163 being mounted on a modified M113, and the M167 being a towed version for light units.



Posted mostly because Kevin at ExUrban League wants one…

10 thoughts on “Vulcans”

  1. Not sure which is cooler – the sound of it firing or the sound of the cascading brass.

    Good post.

  2. Nope. Mostly on planes, sure, but the basic gun is used also on the Navy’s CIWS Phalanx self defense system.

  3. Wonder how those guys’ Aircraft Recognition skills are?–that’s always what scares the s**t out of us AF guys–and why you see all those B & W “Invasion stripes”
    on all the WWII aircraft after Normandy. We were more afraid of our own people than we were of the Germans.

    I would note that just for this reason the German Army uses GAF attached units for their gnd AD needs, under the theory it’s better to have everybody dealing with things that fly keyed into one system in the same command structure and speaking the same terminology.

  4. Generally? The SHORAD guys I knew had fair recognition skills. Not as good as mine.

    Going back to the early days of WWII, the AAF had a remarkable tendency to attack our own guys. Bradley was strafed 3 times in one day- by your predecessors. It got MUCH better by the end of the war.

    Our AD guys are pretty well netted in with the zoomies. I’ll leave the specifics to Chockblock, over in the blogroll, but you’ll notice there have been more incidents of aviators zapping our (or the British) ground guys than of our duckhunters plinking the zoomies.

  5. XBrad/

    Agree on the WWII bit, comm. & coordination skill were pretty bad.From roughly Vietnam on (don’t know about Korea) almost every “short round” incident has been the result of pressures to aid TIC with the bad guys in close proximity or in the wire aggravated by poor viz due to wx and/or onset of darkness.

    The use of ABCCC, AF gnd & airborne FACs and the TACC structure have all combined to alleviate a lot of these problems, of course, as have improvements in comm general. And of course our continually improving ability to operate at night helps also.

    The maj problem now seems to be coord. of all the multiple kinds of UAVs used at every
    level of command with CAS birds strictly as an ATC problem. That, and the Army STILL wants our A-10s. (And the only reason the big kids in the AF want to keep ’em seems to be because the Army wants them)

  6. Oh, I understand some of the issues related to WHY there have been blue/blue engagements (and the Army has trouble with that as well).

    But here’s a story of the one time I got to play FAC. On the big island, we, a grunt platoon, got to call in live mortars, OV-10s, and A-10s. We were about 2 miles from the DMPI. Put an 81mm smack on target. OV-10 puts a couple 2.75’s right on it. Then marks with WP. And the first A-10 pass drops. Behind us. He wasn’t even hitting the range complex. I have no clue what he was dropping on. End of exercise.

  7. I’ll get into the nitty gritty some other time, but in short IFF has to be used.

    The Patriot’s that shot at the Marine F-18 and Brit Tornado had poor IFF or it was off. The system classified them as ARM’s, bad news for a SAM site. Since it was on auto, the system fired.

    Nowadays we have link-16 and better software. But like I said, I’ll get to that l8r.

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