Are you “Old Army?”

And in the spirit of the post and as a tribute to my generation of Americanische Soldaten…
You are an OLD Soldier if…
You know what GDP means and still remember where yours was and how long it took to occupy.*
You remember when we had tactical nukes and really planned to use them.*
You remember spending hours in MOPP4 and doing M256 kits.*
You remember when the M18 Claymore and M72 LAW were part of CTT.*
You remember when ARTEPs were 36 hours long and you had fun.*
You know what a Gamma Goat and Goer were and could fix an M151A2 to run off one prop shaft.*
You remember when the Israelis were bad-asses and we all wanted to be like them.*
You remember when Saddam Hussein was our loyal ally.
You remember when “Airland Battle” was a new concept, and everyone religiously read FM 100-5.*
You know what the ‘Cap Wineberger’ Doctrine was.
You remember when the M16 was a plastic carbine, and you hoped for an M14.*
You can remember going to the Club at Graf, drinking, and watching Margaret.*
You personally knew Margaret*.
You know the difference between the VRC-46, VRC-47, PRC-77 and VRC-160 and the requisite installation kits.*
You know what a CEOI is and you can encrypt grids*.
You remember when NTC was a new and cool concept.
You remember when it was real cool to go to SAMs or be an OC at NTC.
You remember when as a new LT/CPT you could go out and train your soldiers and not have an OC tell you how screwed up you were.*
You remember BN Cdrs and 1SG’s who were Vietnam Vets.*
You remember Bn Cdrs who drank, swore and mentored.*
You remember Bn Cdrs who were ruthless about tactics, but didn’t give a crap about admin BS.*
You remember when 2LTs and CPLs demanded respect from PFCs and got it.*
You can navigate at night without a GPS.*
You can remember OPDs about Clausewitz (aka dead Karl) which usually ended with beer drinking at the O’ club.
You can remember when “lane training” was a neat concept.*
You can remember when FM 25-101 was a new concept.*
You can remember when the defense budget was 7% of the GNP.*
You can remember when the “Main Battle Area was the only fight.
You can remember when every ones career track was 10 years in Germany.*
You remember when the Soviet Union was a major super power instead of being a basket case for the IMF.*
You could remember studying German concepts like “mission tactics”, and “commander’s intent” and it was cool.*
You could remember reading military history and going on staff rides because the Chief of Staff of the Army did it.*
You could become a Bn S3, Bn XO, Bn Cdr, or Bde Cdr without being Resident CGSC graduate.
You could remember BN and BDE Cdr’s who were proud of being “non-resident” CGSC guys.
You could receive a couple of “2-blocks” and it would not force you to look for employment on the outside.
You remember when privates bragged about the challenge they got in basic training, and how tough their drill sergeants were.*
You remember when “Sensitivity Training” was something your wife did.*
You remember when Values Cards meant credit cards.*
You remember when going to the Pentagon was not cool and did not help your career.
You remember when PowerPoint was what a Private did on butcher paper taped-up on a board with “hundred-mile-an-hour” tape.*
You remember when you could say hooah, because the Chief of Staff of the Army said it.*
You remember when women in combat were just a bad idea that would soon fade away.*
You remember when being “hardcore” was cherished.*
You remember that going to Ranger School was cool and not for career progression.*
You remember that more than one company command was what studs did.
You could remember that going to Korea was like going to the field for twelve straight months, and only the hard-core guys extended.
You could remember when you could maneuver anywhere you wanted in Korea and it was not a big deal.
You could remember when “maneuver damage” was paid lip-service.
You could remember when you could “Major” in ROTC.
You remember eating C-rations in the field.
You wore the “banana suit” to PT.
You wore the “pickle suit” to formation.
You remember taking the five-event APFT.
You remember when a PFC/SPC made presentations using a Leroy set instead of CPTs/MAJs using PowerPoint.
You remember when camouflage nets were made of cloth.
You remember when the Army’s vehicles ran on gas.*
You remember when cigarettes were in C-rations.
You remember how to report for pay and what a pay line was.*
You remember beer machines in the barracks/dayroom.
You remember when Clothing Sales was run by Army soldiers.
You remember when there used to be enlisted, NCO and Officer Clubs.*
You remember the Women’s Army Corps (WACs).
You remember when stripes were worn on the sleeve.
You remember when you ran PT in boots, white T-shirt and fatigue pants.
You remember when Jungle boots were green.*
You remember when Jump boots cost $16.50 a pair and you shined the whole boot instead of just the toe and heel.
You remember when cigarettes were $2.00 a carton.
You remember what an alert was.*
You remember when Sergeants ran the Army.*
You remember Disposition Forms (DF’s) instead of memorandums. (That would be DA Form 2496!)*
You remember when a one line correction on a document was sufficient, instead of correcting it on a word processor and running off 20 copies.*
You were allowed to wear foreign jump wings or a RECONDO badge on your fatigues.*
Only elite forces wore a beret*.
You carried a .45 cal pistol instead of a 9mm.*
You could shave, bathe and cook out of your helmet.*
You remember when 5 tons ran on gasoline.
You remember when F-4 Phantoms mock attacked your convoys.
You remember wearing duty uniforms that weren’t camo.
You remember painting Dragons on your 2 1/2 ton to keep the Korean slicky boys away.
You remember when Agent Orange was just a weed killer.
You carried a twenty round magazine.
You drove a 113 on more than one REFORGER.*
You are a life member of the division association.*
You remember how to set up a footlocker and wall locker display.* (Well, wall locker, not footlocker-XBrad)
You remember using coke cans to neatly roll your T-shirts and boxer shorts for your footlocker display.
You remember the only space you had in your footlocker for personal items had to fit in a space the size of a cigar box.
You remember needing a pass to leave post.
You remember getting stopped by the MP’s to check your pass.
You know what bed check is.
You know what fire watch is.
You remember being on KP in garrison.
You remember Saturday was for inspections and Monday thru Friday was for training.
You remember when an Article-15 did not end your career and all good enlisted men had at least three which were removed from your 201 file upon transfer.*
You know what Blood Stripes are.*
You remember not being thrown out of the army for fighting downtown.*
You remember when people went to prison for desertion.*
You know what a T-10 parachute is.
You remember being dragged to safety by an overweight medic.
You remember when every Post had a Stockade and used them.*
You remember being detailed to guard a work detail from the Post Stockade with a loaded shotgun.*
You remember pulling guard duty with a loaded weapon.*
You remember what the “Colonel’s Orderly” was.*
You remember being issued handkerchiefs and using them.*
You remember having a shaving stick and why you had it and not a can of shaving crème.
You know what an M-79 is.*
You know what a “Mule” is (not the four-legged type).
You remember when you didn’t have to be “somebody” to be buried in Arlington.*
You remember draftees.* (I worked for a few former ones-X)
You remember your serial number and know what the RA or US in front of a serial number means.
You remember when food was not allowed in the barracks.
You remember the back cover of Soldiers Magazine was a Playboy Bunny or someone’s girlfriend.
You remember “Turret Talk” wasn’t a friendly conversation.
You remember Connie Rod had big boobs.*
You were allowed two beers for lunch.
There were beer machines in your barracks.
You knew the difference between a “Radborro” and a “Marlborro”*
You remember The “Wall” wasn’t a movie about Nuremburg.*
You remember strippers were in the NCO clubs in Germany.*
Your Bde Cdr told stories of how he jumped into France on D-Day.
You remember the “Polish National Guard” in the training areas.
You remember Twenty Mark Strasse in K-town.*
You remember a Pig wasn’t your buddy’s girlfriend, but a weapon.*
You remember Beef and Boulders came in a can that was hell to eat cold.
You traded your 4-pack of cigarettes from your C-rats for a beer.
You didn’t stay very long in places called Leesville, Nolensville or Radcliff.
The company’s copier was carbon paper between two sheets of paper in the typewriter.*
You remember tankers jackets.
You remember John Wayne bars.
You remember what LSMFT stands for.
You remember doing a barracks search in Germany and finding a 35 mm camera film container with hash or marijuana in it.*
You remember 50% high school grad enlistees.
You remember SADMs and MADMs.*
You remember unannounced IG inspections.* (Not fun-X)
You remember a ‘C ration’ breakfast of melted cheese over scrambled eggs.
You remember Motor SGTs who could jerry rig anything to run.
You remember riding in the front seat of an M151 with no canvas and windshield down in a snow storm
You remember Khakis.*(Barely-they went away while I was in BCT-X)
You remember gas generator powered pop up targets in holes you dug.*
You remember “Grease Guns”.*
You remember “Coal Bin Willie” ordering all the 82nd Airborne Division coal bins to be whitewashed. (That’s right: coal bins.)
You remember when the American flag flew proudly over the Panama Canal Zone*
You can call old friends at 0344 and announce “Lariat Advance.”*
You can tell the story about accidentally entering the 1K zone with a full combat load during a sector alert.*
You know that a “Stovepipe” was the 90 MM Recoilless Rifles that you lugged everyday, but only got to live fire it twice a year.
You know where you could find the John Wayne bars in the B-1, B-2 or B-3 units.
You found out the hard way, that a mess kit could collect more water then food if you did not keep it under your poncho.
Everyone donated money to the Platoon Sgt when someone parents died.*
The mess sergeant would give groceries to the young Private and his wife who just got into country.
Seeing someone with an ARCOM was a rarity.
Your ARCOMs was signed by a four star general.
You remember looking for a spoon buddy with the other Shelter Half.*
You owned a P38 and wore one on your dog tag chains.*
You’ve eaten the OD Green paint shavings of a C-rat can.
You remember the SQT.*
You remember military hospitals made of wood at major installations (Ft Polk, Ft Gordon, etc).*
You remember getting promotion points for time in service and time in grade.*
You remember “Bird Sergeants” with the ranks Spec 5 and 6 & 7* (Again, barely- went away about 2 weeks after I joined-X)
You remember when the Stars and Stripes was not just a Newspaper, but also a book store.*
You remember organization days with beer.*
You used brasso and kiwi daily.*
You broke starch.*
You dressed up to go to the Club for dinner.
You remember shaving your AWOL and then escorting the dumbass to become a CCF Ranger.*
You remember “Night Acquisitions” from the PDO yard.*
Challenge coins got you a beer or cost you one.*
Caps had Ranger eyes.*
Starched fatigues rubbed your nipples raw on long runs.
You know what a “Supernumerary” is, and tried hard to get it*.
You sang cadence about the temperature of a certain part of the anatomy of a female Eskimo.*
You could change filters in your M17 mask in under a minute.*
You know what signing a Statement of Charges means, and you signed a few in your day.*
Your Sergeant put a pencil under your boot heels to see if your boots were still “serviceable”.*
You know what it’s like to ride in the back of a 2 1/2 Ton when it’s 13 degrees below zero.*
You know you got troubles when there is an alert and you are stationed in Seoul with no weapon.

I’m good to go on quite a few of these, but by no means all.

(Stolen from The Castle)

I’m scored a “GO” on those marked with an asterisk. How did YOU stack up?

15 thoughts on “Are you “Old Army?””

    1. Yeah, my one Team Spirit deployment left me unqual’d there as well. Though I did have my convoy mock attacked by ROK Phantoms. Very, VERY

        low level.

  1. On being buzzed…I remember on REFORGER 82 being buzzed by Luftwaffe F-4s….and I swore they pulled UP so they wouldn’t hit the antennae on our tracks! And then the next day it was F-104s….but I couldn’t tell which air force!

    I SOOOO wanted to pop a starcluster!

  2. I remember a lot of those as a dependent. A lot more from being a weekend warrior with the TNARNG in teh early 80s. Never had an F-4 roll in on me. Warthogs were the main aerial threat for us.

  3. One two-day ride in the back of a duce was the reason that I became a driver for any vehicle to which I was assigned.


  4. I only a very small handful . . . I miss starch, Kiwi and Brasso. Had a P38 on my tags that my Dad gave me and used it. Miss my maroon beret. Still have my Jump Boots and I still polish them from top to bottom. I do NOT miss MOPP Level IV for hours on end in Graf . . . though I miss Graf.

    Most importantly, I remember being allowed to KILL the enemy and only conduct an AAR afterwards while filling out a Serious Incident Report to document the progress of the mission.

    Not have CID waiting for you when you returned to the FOB to grill you for the next eight hours to see if they could make a “battlefield homicide” charge stick to justify their useless existence in a combat zone. Wanted to shoot those bastards.

    Miss my M14, Springfield Armory 540796.

    Miss living without TBI, too.

  5. I remember seeing strippers at the I-Bar at Ft Benning (and watching two LTs from the Ranger School stripping down buck-naked and doing pull-ups in the I-Bar. Late on a Friday night, of course, but still….)

    And blood wings, I remember getting my blood wings from a giant black-hat named SSGT Pagano. Good times, good times….

  6. Does anyone else remember using BLACKHORSE in a jam and the platoon CEOI was in another vehicle?

  7. Never been to Korea, so those don’t apply here. Most of the other ones I can relate to.

  8. Never been to Korea but I got all the ones about Germany, and yes back then if you were career, especially Armor or Cav you would do half of your time in Germany.

  9. Im at least 99% GO. Served 21 years as a Tanker. Some things you missed.
    If you can remember when some senior NCO and Officers were on active duty who were WWII vets.

    If you know what the SQT was AND remember when every post had an SQT sight AND it was all hands on.

    If most of your NCOs and Officers and even some PFC’s and SPC4’s were Vietnam Vets.

    If a Vietnam Vet pinned on your SGT Stripes.
    If your SGT Stripes were “Acting Jack”

    If you were around when there were still Spc 7’s.

    If you can still remember the locations and names of the Checkpoints on the Border, the Soviet Units that were on the other side and verbatim your Border Definitions.

    If you know what the Cheb-Beyrueth Air Corridor is.

    If you remember when the 60A1 whiz bang AOS was fielded.

    I could go on and on, but there are a lot.

  10. I remember using a little C-4 to burn classified on the German Kaserne, Ritter Von Leeb in Landsberg. Tactical nuclear weapons unit.

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